Contradicting a boss already under pressure to fire him, President Donald Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon says there’s no military solution to the threat posed by North Korea and its nuclear ambitions. Just last week, Trump pledged to answer North Korean aggression with “fire and fury.”
In an interview with The American Prospect posted online Wednesday, Bannon tells the liberal publication that the U.S. is losing the economic race against China and talks about purging his rivals from the Defense and State departments.
Asked about the white supremacist movement, whose march on Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend led to deadly violence, Bannon dismisses them as “losers,” ”a fringe element” and “a collection of clowns.”
A White House spokeswoman said “Bannon’s comments stand on their own.”
In a separate interview with the DailyMail.com, Bannon said that his comments to The American Prospect “drew fire away from” Trump and that he successfully “changed the (media) narrative” around Trump with the earlier interview.
Bannon, one of the most contentious members of Trump’s inner circle, is again facing an uncertain future in the White House, a situation that could be further complicated by his decision to give the initial interview.
Trump passed up an opportunity this week to offer a public vote of confidence in Bannon, who was a key campaign adviser during the general election and has become a forceful presence in a divided White House. But the former leader of the conservative Breitbart News has drawn fire from some of Trump’s closest advisers, including son-in-law Jared Kushner.
The latest anti-Bannon campaign comes as Trump finds himself increasingly isolated, except among his core supporters, for insisting that white supremacist groups and those who opposed them were both at fault in Charlottesville.
Others believe Bannon is behind a campaign conservative group, and the Breitbart website is waging against national security adviser H.R. McMaster, arguing that he is insufficiently supportive of Israel and soft on Iran. Trump recently issued a rare public statement of support for McMaster.
Bannon’s comments on North Korea, which contradict Trump’s tough approach, could add to pressure on the president to fire him. Bannon has survived earlier rounds of having fallen out of favor with Trump, who is irked by perceptions that Bannon was the mastermind of Trump’s winning campaign and that he guides policy in the White House.
“There’s no military solution (to North Korea’s nuclear threats), forget it,” Bannon says. “Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that 10 million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about; there’s no military solution here — they got us.”
Trump tweeted early Wednesday that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un “made a very wise and well-reasoned decision” by backing down after heightening fears of nuclear conflict in a series of combative threats, including against the U.S. territory of Guam.
Bannon also outlined his push for the U.S. to adopt a tougher stance on China trade — without waiting to see whether Beijing will help restrain Kim as Trump has pressed China’s leader to do. Trump also has lamented U.S. trade deficits with China.
“The economic war with China is everything,” Bannon says. “And we have to be maniacally focused on that. If we continue to lose it, we’re five years away, I think — 10 years at the most — of hitting an inflection point from which we’ll never be able to recover.”
A Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, Hua Chunying, said Thursday that both sides have benefited from trade.
Asked at a regular news briefing about Bannon’s comments, Hua said “there is no winner in a trade war. We hope the relevant people can refrain from dealing with a problem in the 21st century with a zero-sum mentality from the 19th or the 20th century.”
Hua appealed for dialogue to “preserve the sound and steady growth of China–U.S. relations.”
In the interview, Bannon muses about getting rid of administration officials who disagree with his stance on China and North Korea and replacing them with “hawks.”
“We gotta do this. The president’s default position is to do it, but the apparatus is going crazy,” Bannon says.
One official Bannon mentioned by name is Susan Thornton, currently America’s top diplomat for Asia.
On Thursday, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson signaled support for his senior adviser. After greeting Japan’s defense chief and top diplomat at the State Department, Tillerson pointedly shook Thornton’s hand in front of the cameras as their meeting began.