Mueller: Surveillance might have prevented 9/11
The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said Thursday that terrorists are already changing their behavior after leaks about classified U.S. surveillance programs, but he offered no details.
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) said it’s part of the damage from disclosures by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden of two NSA programs that collect millions of telephone records and track internet activity. Snowden fled to Hong Kong in May and has granted some interviews since then, saying he hopes to stay there and fight any charges that may yet be filed against him.
Rogers said there are “changes we can already see being made by the folks who wish to do us harm and our allies harm” and that the revelations might also “make it harder to track bad guys trying to harm U.S. citizens in the United States.”
The ranking Democrat on the committee, Rep. C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, said he’s concerned that Snowden fled to Hong Kong because of China’s history of spying on the U.S.
“It seems unusual that he would be in China and asking for the protection of the Chinese government … but we’re going to investigate,” Ruppersberger said. “Clearly, we’re going to make a thorough scrub of what his China connections are.”
Rogers and Ruppersberger spoke to reporters after a closed committee briefing with the NSA’s director, Gen. Keith Alexander, who said he hopes to declassify details of dozens of attacks disrupted by the programs. Alexander said officials don’t want to “cause another terror attack by giving out too much information.”
Officials have thrown out widely varying numbers of the attacks they say the broad surveillance of Americans’ phone and online usage has thwarted. On Wednesday, Alexander said dozens have been stopped. Ruppersberger said the surveillance “has thwarted 10 possible terrorist attacks,” then amended that number to be in line with Alexander’s statement.
In the initial days after the disclosures of the programs, officials cited one case.
Meanwhile, FBI Director Robert Mueller defended the programs in testimony to Congress on Thursday. In what is likely his final appearance as FBI director before the House Judiciary Committee, Mueller said that terrorists track leaked information “very, very closely” and that because of leaks “we lose our ability to get their communications” and “we are exceptionally vulnerable.”
Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the Judiciary Committee’s ranking Democrat, said, “It’s my fear that we are on the verge of becoming a surveillance state.”
In defending the programs, Mueller called attention to the run-up to the 2001 terrorist attacks, saying that if the controversial surveillance efforts had been in place back then, they might have uncovered the hijackers’ plot. The 9/11 Commission found that among the major U.S. failures before the attack was that agencies didn’t share information they already had about suspected terrorists with the FBI.
“I am not persuaded that that makes it okay to collect every call,” Conyers replied.